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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208345259" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208345259">(Aug 28 2020 at 13:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>So I think we should discuss the future of this group at some point. I'm taking a hard look at my own time/resources and trying to focus and pare back where it makes sense, and I know a lot of us who were involved are going through various transitions right now. There's also the ongoing work to create a foundation which will consume time and energy.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208345388" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208345388">(Aug 28 2020 at 13:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I'm wondering if it makes sense to suspend the group meetings (and maybe group) for a bit, and consider revisiting? On the other hand, I think a lot of the questions we've been talking about (domain working groups, rfcs, etc) are still quite relevant.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208349545" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208349545">(Aug 28 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>Similarly I still feel like the compiler team could use help in writing down and formulating our processes etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208349556" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208349556">(Aug 28 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>in short I still think there's work to do :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208349588" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208349588">(Aug 28 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I am rethinking my own commitments and trying to make sure they are realistic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208356833" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> BatmanAoD (Kyle Strand) <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208356833">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>Can some of the work be subsumed into other activities/groups? (I don't have any specific ideas for how this would work.) Would it help for me to take a more active role and spend more time on this group's projects?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208364403" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208364403">(Aug 28 2020 at 16:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah I was going to discuss this next week. With the shortage of time I think we should focus on trying to get just a single task completed for the end of the year. I have an idea of what that could be which I think ties together our previous work. Basically inspired by the <a href="https://github.com/django/deps/blob/master/accepted/0010-new-governance.rst">django governance rfc</a>, I would love if we could have a similar document that provides a similar high level overview of the governance of the project. </p>
<p>I don't know if one task requires regular meetings though. It seems like something that can handled mostly async.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208378395" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208378395">(Aug 28 2020 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>That does inspirational, though I think it's no small task</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208378468" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208378468">(Aug 28 2020 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>It is possible that we could find a way to operate that would help, not sure, it is also possible that other folks might like to get involved (e.g., <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116014">@ag_dubs</span>, though she's not presently subscribed to this stream) and that might increase overall bandwidth.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208378517" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208378517">(Aug 28 2020 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think a key thing would be "how is that document made" -- we've talked about the idea of going in to work <em>with</em> teams to get the work done</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208378547" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208378547">(Aug 28 2020 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and in that sense I personally might enjoy participating not as a member of gov wg but as a rep of compiler or lang or something)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208429803" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208429803">(Aug 29 2020 at 11:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, thinking on this more I think there's a blocker to writing that document which is more of the teams having charters so their roles are clear and can be then be included as a summary in a higher level document. There's been quite a bit of <a href="https://hackmd.io/FasfT5zzQZuy0c0AxYQRBg">progress on the libs team</a> towards this, so maybe we should start to approach more teams about helping to create a charter?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208429945" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Ashley Mannix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208429945">(Aug 29 2020 at 11:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>So far I’ve found the “general compass direction” kind of support from the group in what we should be trying to establish and what tools/approaches work for other teams to be really helpful. Maybe capturing some of that in docs would be a low-bandwidth way to support other teams?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208433315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208433315">(Aug 29 2020 at 13:13)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> that was our current plan, iirc, we just haven't made a lot of progress on it for other teams -- but starting with libs seems good.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208433324" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208433324">(Aug 29 2020 at 13:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="239881">@Josh Triplett</span> and I would be enthusiastic to do the work from lang</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208433329" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208433329">(Aug 29 2020 at 13:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's also true that the last like 3 weeks have been... a bit distracting :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208437744" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208437744">(Aug 29 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>Indeed. Might I suggest a hiatus, and we can re-evaluate in two months?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208532875" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208532875">(Aug 31 2020 at 08:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Happy to support the creation of the document in any way that is practicable. Indeed, recent events have been quite distracting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208739427" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208739427">(Sep 01 2020 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that taking a hiatus is a good idea and re-evaluating</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208739438" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208739438">(Sep 01 2020 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>we could just say 1 month</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208739466" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208739466">(Sep 01 2020 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do feel like a lot more will be clearer then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208739482" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208739482">(Sep 01 2020 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>no need to stop pursuing the work on libs charter etc in the meantime</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208739498" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208739498">(Sep 01 2020 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I think we could do async work e.g. on a lang charter, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="239881">@Josh Triplett</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208739518" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208739518">(Sep 01 2020 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>though we may just not have time for that, no pressure...plenty to do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/208739533" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#208739533">(Sep 01 2020 at 19:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/212971111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Val Grimm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#212971111">(Oct 11 2020 at 16:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hi, some sad news: My new job is very demanding and it is clear I won't be able to contribute to the development of the very good RFC recently posted or other efforts for some time, although I can help review papers for RustConf next year as I'll have had some time to adapt by then . . . I'll remove myself from the group list on Github. Someday I hope to find another way to help.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/213002744" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#213002744">(Oct 12 2020 at 06:46)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="249394">@Val Grimm</span> No worries, that’s completely understandable, thank you for your helpful contributions. 🙂</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future%20of%20this%20group/near/213002750" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/223182-wg-governance/topic/future.20of.20this.20group.html#213002750">(Oct 12 2020 at 06:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>And best of luck with the new job!</p>



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